MGA WERTHAM NG BAGONG PANAHON
Nagkaroon ng thread sa Philippine Cinema Yahoo Group tungkol sa pagkaka-nominate ni Carlo Caparas bilang national artist. As usual, ang dami ring reactions galing sa iba't ibang tao. Hindi na ako nakisali sa usapan at hinayaan ko na lang silang magkaroon ng kani-kaniyang kuru-kuro.
Hanggang sa kung saan-saan na nauwi ang usapan. Napunta na kay Fernando Poe at Nora Aunor. Hanggang sa may nag-post na ganito:
Korek... Nora Aunor can be a legit candidate for National Artist pero hintayin na lang natin ang pag upo ng bagong Presidente. Actually kong buhay si FPJ at naging Presidente, malamang National Artist na si Nora Aunor. Remember his famous line... Philippine Showbiz is not the same without NORA AUNOR dahil si FPJ mismo alam niya kong ano ang naging impact ng isang Nora Aunor. Kong may mag nominate kay Carlo J... well and good, pero isipin nila na maraming bumagsak na students dahil sa kababasa ng mga Komiks before kasi ito ang pinakamurang aliwan lalo na yong For Rent sa mga tabi ng school. Maraming students ang nagbabasa ng komiks at nalilimutan na ang pag gawa ng home works and the results bagsak ang mga ito sa school.
Dito na ako biglang nag-post pero pahapyaw lang. Sabi ko:
Pero mas maraming natutong magbasa dahil sa komiks....
Tulad ng inaasahan ko, biglang nag-react ang sinabihan ko. Ito ang sagot:
Hello... kaya nga ang tao nagbabasa ng komiks dahil marunong silang magbasa o hindi gusto niya lang tingnan ang mga pics. Ang point lang dahil sa komiks kaya maramig kabataan ang na neglect ang studies and the results bagsak sa klase lalo na yong mga nasa lower middle class that time. Marunong na silang magbasa kaya komiks ang nakahiligan nila at hindi yong sinasabi mong MARAMING NATUTONG MAGBASA DAHIL SA KOMIKS. Just remember iha/iho...ang mga pinoy ang isa sa pinaka literate na tao sa buong mundo at para sabihin mong MARAMING NATUTONG MAGBASA DAHIL SA KOMIKS..... ITO ANG PISO KAUSAPIN MO SI RIZAL!
Natural sumagot din ako...
May source ka ba dyan sa sinasabi mo na napabayaan ng mga kabataan ang pag-aaral nila dahil sa komiks? O baka haka-haka mo lang?
Oo tama ang sinabi mo na mayroon na rin naman talagang basic knowledge ang mga bata sa pagbabasa bago sila nakahawak ng komiks, pero nakatulong ng malaki ang komiks para bumilis at ma-praktis ang kanilang pagbabasa.
Siguro nasa alta sosyedad ka kaya hindi mo alam.
Ako ang isang example. Kinder pa lang ay hasa na ako sa pagbabasa ng komiks kaya pagtuntong ko ng grade 1 ay hindi na ako masyadong hirap sa pagbabasa sa klase. I am talking about READING here, labas na ako kung may kwenta o wala ang content ng binabasa, ang punto ay ang pagbabasa per se.
'Just remember iha/iho...ang mga pinoy ang isa sa pinaka literate na tao sa buong mundo'
Ah, kaya pala may problema sa readership ng mga Pilipino. Kaya maraming program ang iba't ibang grupo para hikayatin na magbasa ang nakararaming Pilipino dahil hindi tayo palabasa.
Hindi na ulit siya sumagot, hanggang sa may mga kumampi na sa akin.
Naisip ko lang na kung hindi natin paliliwanagan ang ganitong mga tao ay patuloy pa rin mabubuhay ang Fredric Wertham syndrome sa utak ng marami.
Hindi ko kasi puwedeng tanggapin na dahil sa komiks ay nagkaloko-loko ang pag-aaral ng mga kabataan. Masyadong sweeping ang statement na ito.
Kasi noong 1970s at 80s, recorded na pinakamalakas na bentahan ng komiks sa buong Pilipinas, 80% ng tao ay nagbabasa ng komiks at ito ang pangunahing libangan mula Aparri hanggang Jolo, ay hindi puwedeng sabihin na hindi nag-aaral ang mga kabataan.
E di sana wala nang edukado noong mid at late 80s hanggang 90s?
posted by Randy P. Valiente @ 11:09:00 AM
52 comments
52 Comments:
Tumpak. Correctamondo. Bakit ba ang daming mga ganitong characters dito sa world wide web na na mga AMBULANCE CHASERS? They use hearsay, pretend to know the real story, when they were not present at the event which took place. But, what's amazing is they truly believe they really know what they're saying.
I tell you, Valiente. The internet is strewn with lots of REVISIONISTS AND SORCERER'S APPRENTICE,
So shocking na deklarasyon, i.e. maraming bumagsak na estudyante noon dahil sa kababasa ng komiks. First time kong narinig ang katwirang iyan sa tanda kong ito (di pa naman masyado LOL). Napataas tuloy ang kilay ko at ayaw nang bumaba sa pagkagimbal.
Thanks, Randy, for speaking out and informing that person that komiks had been a most effective tool in teaching kids how to read.
Hindi lang preschool children ang natutong magbasa dahil sa komiks noon. Marami ring adults na natuto; those who could hardly read turned to komiks to learn.
Even the academe recognizes the value of komiks as educational tools.
TheCoolCanadian is right, sangkatutak ang mga revisionists at sorcerer's apprentice (grin) sa Internet. Kasama na rito ang mga tumututol na tanggaping pop icon si CJC. LOL.
Re CJC's nomination as National Artist, we heard about this from way back pa, di ba?
(Lalo nang ayaw bumaba ang kilay ko!)
ang mga nagsasabing bikitima ng brainwashing ang mga batang napahilig sa komiks ay mga biktima ng brainwashing.
Randy,
Walang empirical evidence iyang mga conjectures na ganyan.
Tungkol ki CJC as Nat'l Artist, Si FV COCHING muna bago siya, di ba ?
Auggie
Randy,
Na-shock din ako sa sweeping statement na iyon. Pero ayoko ng makipagtalo sa mga ganoon ka-ignoramus. Ako nga nagbabaon pa ng komiks noon sa klase ko pero bakit hindi naman ako bumabagsak at hindi kailanman bumagsak sa kahit anong subject. Its a plain and simple lies na nilikha lamang niya sa kanyang utak.
Wordsmith:
Baka AHITIN ang kilay mo ng dalawang revisionists, lagot ka. Ha-ha-ha.
Let me just add: noong bata pa ako at si Sabel, doon sa Bicol, ang daming mga taong hindi marunong magsalita ng tagalog. Pero dahil sa komiks, natuto sila. Ngayon, lahat na yata ng bikolano't bikolana ay marunong nang managalog. Maski sa kaso ko, gano'n din. My mother tongue was Spanish, but learned tagalog from komiks, bikol from outside our home.
Ngayon, gagawin pang contravida ang komiks.
Hahahaha!nabasa ko ito last time.
ako addict ako sa comics at video games! pero honor student pa rin ako. sa totoo lang, di na ako nahirapang magtagalog dahil sa komiks, ang tataas ng grade ko sa subject na Filipino nung College ako, nakaka 96% ako dahil sa pagiging addict ko sa komiks nung elementary ako, hindi ako nagyayabang pero totoo sinasabi ko,malaki talagz naging ambag ng komiks. Lalo na sa totoong buhay, marami itong naiturong mga leksiyon na hindi ko natutunan sa school, naging isa akong matatag na adulescent sa gitna ng unos na mga dumating sa buhay naming pamilya nuon..
Haayyyy..teka, bakit pala ang sarcastic niyan sumagot? ok lang naman response mo sa una niyang comment a. binastos ka pa ....walang modo ang taong yan
Artlink--
Onga e, kaya binara ko na rin. Kala ko nga sasagot pa, natakot na rin siguro dahil seryoso ang sagot ko :)
May pa-iho/iha pang nalalaman hahaha
Ngayon lang uli ako napadaan dito dahil kay Carlo Caparas na bininyagan ko ito na HARI NG MGA NOBELISTANG PILIPINO at EMPERADOR NG MGA NOBELISTA SA BUONG MUNDO, hhhhhhh, para tuloyan ng mamatay sa hika iyong mga naiinggit sa kanya, HHHHHHH uli.
Napansin ko rin na pag meron isa na iba ang ideya ay pinagtulong-tulungan ninyo, tuloy patay ang ibang ideyang ito. Paghahambalosin ko kaya ang mga tuktok ninyo ng DOS POR DOS, hHhHhHhHhH naman ngayon, para magising kayo at maging malawak ang pag-uunawa ninyo. Susulong lang ng paabante ang anumang bagay kung meron balitaktakan ng magka-kontrang mga ideya. Kung isang ideya lang palagi at walang kumo-kontra, ang kadalasan labas nito ay paatras ang sulong.
Tungkol dito sa pagbabasa ng komiks, nakatulong ito sa mga bata para makabasa ng maaga, at napalawak rin nito ang salitang tagalog sa buong Pilipinas. Kaya lang ang labas naman ay nabaluktot ang mga english nila. At kung pakinggan ang salita nilang pilipit na english, ang tono ay tiwarik na tagalog, hhhhhhh.
Meron pang isang disadvantage itong pagbabasa ng komiks ng sobra na nakita ko nuong nagtuturo ako ng engineering mathematics sa Feati nuon. Mantakin na lang ninyo na sa halip na mga-aral ng mga leksiyon nila at gumawa ng mga homeworks nila sa library ang mga studyante sa Feati ay sangkatutak silang nakaupo sa bangketa na nagbabasa ng komiks, nadiyaryo pa nga sila nuon. Tuloy pinaalis ng Feati iyong tindahan ng komiks sa banketa na nasa labas lang ng universidad na ito.
Marami akong estudyante nuon na hindi gumagawa ng mga homeworks nila dahil nga ang inatupag ay pagbabasa ng komiks. At sa exams ko ay marami akong nahuli pa na natago ang mga kodigo nila na nakasulat sa mga pahina ng komiks; sa klase ko, mga sampu ang binagsak ko. Iyong isa kung estudyante ay dala pa ang kanyang nanay para kausapin ako. Sa inis ko ay sinabihan ko ang nanay na ito na bumili ng isang tambak na komiks, lukotin ito at talian, at saka hambalosin niya ang kanyang anak sa bumbonan para matauhan at matigil sa kababasa ng komiks.
Kapre:
Yung mga ibinagsak mo ay talagang POBRE ESPIRITO na dati, kaya kahi't hindi nagbasa ng komiks iyon, talagang kakalabog na sa kulay pulang 5! HHHHHHHH.
Sa halip na pinahambalos mo ng nakalukot na HIWAGA, ESPESYAL, TAGALOG KLASIKS at PILIPINO KOMIKS, dos por dos na sana para natuluyan nang matigok ang hinayupak. HHHHHH.
Maraming mga taong natutotong magFILIPINO at Ingles dahil sa KOMIKS! Isa pa, kung talagang KONTRABIDA ang Komiks bakit nagkakaroon pa ng subscription ng GOSPEL KOMIKS ang mga schools sa Pilipinas?
Ignorante nga yung nakausap mo Randy!
Sablay sa pagre-render ng haka-haka 'nya 'yang nag post na maka-showbiz na 'yan sir Randy. Kung buhay pa si Rizal baka ibato sa kanya ni Rizal 'yung piso 'nya. Di 'nya alam na napakahilig magsulat ni Rizal at malamang kung uso na ang Komiks nung panahon 'nya, isa 'sya sa mga kilala na Komiks story writter na kagaya 'nyo at ni CJC. 'Di pa nga uso ang kuryente noon pero ang dami 'nyang naisulat.
Wala 'syang basehan na ang Komiks ang dahilan at napabayaan ng mga batang mag-aaral ang kanilang pag-aaral. ’Yun ngang mga ’di nag-aaral noong kasag-sagan ng komiks e dito natuto at napraktis magbasa. Ang dami kong ka-klase noong elementarya ako na dahil sa mahilig silang magbasa ng komiks ay nag-excel sila sa reading lalo na sa ating linguwahe. Na praktis silang magbasa na para bang kasali rin sila sa eksena na kanilang binabasa.
Mas gumagana nga ang utak ng isang tao kapag nagbabasa ng isang kwento kesa pinapanood lang ito. Natututo ang tao na i-evaluate sa utak nila ang mga pangyayari sa mga binabasa nila habang tumatagal sila sa pagbabasa. Gumagalaw ang bawat frame sa komiks kapag naging keen reader ang isang tao. At isa sa nakatulong sa nga Filipino na maging KEEN READER ang KOMIKS. Kaya nga sa panahon ngayon humina sa pagbabasa ang mga kabataan kasi nawala na ang komiks na napaglilibangan na nakatutulong sa pagde-develop ng pagbabasa. Dumami pa ang estudayante na nag papasahan ngayon sa iisang libro sa mga public schools para lang makapagbasa.
’Yung mga text books sa eskwelahan na may kwento, halos komiks form din ’yun, kulang nga lang sa visuals kasi kakapal yung libro (medyo mag-o-over budget ang gobyerno mababawasan 'yung para sa mga nagpakadalubhasa para mangupit sa taong bayan.;)
Dahil sa hilig ko sa pagbabasa ng komiks noong araw naging ugali ko ang maging pala-basa hanggang sa panahon ngayon. At sa KOMIKS ko din na-develop ang artistic at illustration talent ko kahit di ako nag aral ng fine-arts, so there were much more profitable things that I have gained on reading and "looking on those Komiks illustrations" (kagaya ng sabi ni false accuser).
Bows before the Komikeros!
"...maraming bumagsak na students dahil sa kababasa ng mga Komiks before kasi ito ang pinakamurang aliwan lalo na yong For Rent sa mga tabi ng school. Maraming students ang nagbabasa ng komiks at nalilimutan na ang pag gawa ng home works and the results bagsak ang mga ito sa school."
Kasansagan ng komiks noong 1970s at 1980s. Panahon ng martial law. Alam ng henerasyon na ito na mula 1977 hanggang 1986, bagsak ang ekonomiya ng Pilipinas, konti ang opportunidad, mababa sahod ng guro, mahal at mababa ang uri ng edukasyon, Repressed at kontorlado pa ng estado/distadurya. Karamihan ng mahihirap na Pilipino ang walang access sa mga libro, at kung literate man ang Pinoy, ito ay FUNCTIONAL literacy lamang. Ibig sabihin, mababang uri ng literacy. Basic knowledge lang ng math at English ang alam.
Mula 1986 hanggang 1989, panahon ni Cory Aquino, walang martial law, pero ganoon pa rin ang sitwasyon.
Ngayon, sa ganyang backgrounder, tingin nyo ba KARAMIHAN ng mga estudyanteng Pinoy ay hindi nalilimutang gumawa ng homeworks at bumabagsak sa eskwelahan?
Sabihin na nating walang statistic o empirical evidence tungkol dito, pero, obvious at SELF-EVIDENT na dahil sa mga socio-political environment na ito, ay talagang karamihan sa mga estudyante noon ay BAGSAK at di na bumabalik sa school.
Ang resulta, kokonti ang mga propesyonal sa Pilipinas. Karamihan mga maid, driver, construction worker, cook, komiks writer, komiks artist, komiks editor, atbpang vocational worker. Laon, naging mga overseas contract workers pa nga ang mga ito na lumaki at dumami mula 1980s hanggang sa kasalukuyan.
Ngayon, isama at ihalo mo sa mga factors na iyan ang lingguhang pagbabasa ng mga estudyante sa uri at klase ng komiks noong araw ng 1970s at 1980s. Hindi kaya contributing factor din ito para wag ngang pansinin ng estudyante ang formal education niya? Nawili sa paglibang ng pagbabasa ng komiks na hindi naman nakakatulong sa kanyang umintindi ng calculus, geometry, science, math, social studies, economics, finance, psychology, chemistry, philosophy, etc., hindi kaya SELF-EVIDENT na talaga ngang bumagsak ang mga grado niya?
Me mga nagsasabi diyan na di naman sila bumagsak dahil sa kababasa ng komiks noon. Bagkus, me mga honor student pa (siguro sa literature at arts lang). E, iilan lang ba kayo? KARAMIHAN ba ng 1970s at 1980s generation ay katulad ninyo? Sigurado ang sagot diyan ay hindi.
Alam nyo Mr. Valiente, yung sinabi ninyong, "E, natuto namang magbasa ang tao dahil sa komiks a." Tama yon.
Pero walang relasyon ito, at di diretsong tinutuligsa ng sagot ninyo, ang proposition na--"sa sobrang wili ng estudyante na magbasa ng komiks noong 1970s at 1980s, MARAMI sa kanila ang bumagsak sa eskwela."
Sa ganang akin ay may bahid ng katotohanan ang proposisyong ito.
CONTRIBUTING FACTOR sa pagbagsak ng grado at formal edukasyon ng estudyanteng Pilipino noong 1970s at 1980s ang SOBRANG kawilihan, paglibang at pagbabasa nila ng KARAMIHAN sa mga "lowbrow" (at censored pang) MASA komiks ng Atlas at GASI. Walang statistic dito, pero SELF-EVIDENT po ang ito. Ibig sabihin, lantad po sa harap natin ang katotohanang ito na di na kailangang patunayan pa.
--Juan Marquez
Ito ang isang magandang ehemplo ng isang bisaya na mahilig na magbasa ng tagalog komiks, lumaki ito at naging metrocom polis. Nuong sa Manila, siya at ang mga kasamahan nitong polis ay meron hinuhuli na magnanakaw na napaligiran nila sa isang lugar.
Itong bisaya na polis na ito na mahilig magbasa ng komiks nuong bata pa siya ay pasigaw na tinawagan ang magnanakaw ng ganito,
"METROCOM INI, NAPAPALIGIRAN KITA!"
Nadiyaryo ito sa Manila nuon at ginawa tuloy na katuwaan ng marami ang mga bisaya dahil sa tiwarik na salita niyang tagalog na binisaya na kawsa ng sobrang pagbabasa niya ng tagalog komiks, natuto ang metrocom na ito ng pilipit na tagalog sa kababasa yata ng komiks, HHHHHHH.
Sabagay, natuto rin ako ng tagalog sa kababasa ng komiks, ang resulta rin ng salita ko nuong nasa Manila na ako ang salita ko ay binisaya na tagalog, hhhhhhh. Kaya iyong kaibigan kung bisaya ay madalas akong biruin at madalas sabihin sa akin ng ganito,
"DOY, DUGAY KA NA SA MANILA AY TONTO PA GUIHAPON!"
Mahilig rin itong kaibigan ko magbasa ng komiks, tonto rin ang salita nito na binisaya rin na tagalog, HHHHHHH. Nakakaloki talaga, ano?
Supremong Kapre:
Hindi lahat ng nagbasa ng komiks na nag-aaral sa university noon ay bumagsak lahat. HHHHHHHH.
I finished my Bachelor's degree with no RED 5s! In fact, when I applied to study in the US, I was accepted by 10 universities. Nagbasa rin ako ng komiks habang nag-aaral ng Mass Comm. I even draw and write komiks (na vocational lang pala ito ayon kay Ginoong Marquez). Para lang pala itong...
• Radio Technician! HHHHHHHHH!
• Hairdressing! HHHHHHHH!
• Carpentry! HHHHHHH!
• Tokneneng Vendor! HHHHHH!
• Sa Malamig Stall sa Soidewalk! HHHHH!
• Lanzones Vendor sa Sidewalk at tinitiklop ang papel na pera para dayain ang sukli! HHHHHHHHHHH!
Kaya kayong mga writers at illustrators sa komiks, hala na, magsipagtinda na kayo ng mga nabanggit sa itaas dahil ang trabaho pala ninyo ay tulad lang ng mga ito.
HHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH!
TheCoolCanadian:
Thank you for your reply to Supremong Kapre and Jose Marquez' comments.
It was so hilarious!
Still LMAO.
(Ayokong gayahin ang HHHHHHHHHHHHHH ninyo.)
LOL
Padi,
Kulang yata ang dialogue noong Bisayang Metrocom, parang ganito yun eh : "SUMURINDIR NA KAMO, METROCOM INI! "
O yun kayang Ad ni Elizabeth Ramsey as Cleopatra: " MAGAPATUKA NA LANG AKO SA HALAS "
O yung medyo fairly recent ad sa TV; Sige Anak, Suportahan Ta Ka....
Tungkol naman sa pagbabasa ng Comics, eto ang masasabi ko basado sa aking personal na experience, ewan ko sa iba. It was an integral part of my non-academic education.
Auggie
JM,
gawin ko ngang katuwaan itong blog ni Randy para magkagulo na ng husto. Sabi nga uli nuong polis sa Manila na mahilig magbasa ng komiks nuong bata pa ito,
"METROCOM INI, NAPAPALIGIRAN KITA!"
Napilipit ang binisaya na tagalog nito sa sobrang kababasa ng komiks. Pero, sige kayo, napapaligiran na kayo ni Juan Marquez o Jose Marquez, HHHHHHH. Mas tigasin pakinggan kung ang ginamit niya ay Marquez de Sade, HHHHHHH uli.
Pero por diyos por santita, JM, di ba sabi ni Mars Ravelo na karamihan sa mga komiks illustrators at writers sa Pilipinas nuon ay mga wala raw mga pinag-aralan ang mga ito, kasama na si Mars dito, di ba? Ang iba naman sabi ni Auggie, maisama nga ang gurang na ito dito para mag-rambulan na ng husto, na marami sa mga komiks writers at illustrators nuon sa simula ay parang mga tsimoy na pumunta lang daw sa sari-sari na tindahan para bumili ng tuyo at suka, nakakita sila ng mga komiks duon sa tindahan at pagbalik raw sa mga bahay nila ay mga illustrators at writers na kuno. Ayan, sa madaling salita na maliwanag pa sa buwan, hindi araw dahil nakabubulag ito, sabi ni Mars ay mga "walang pinag-aralan" daw at sabi naman ni Auggie ay parang mga "tsimoy," hhhhhhh na ngayon.
Samantala ang mga hairdressers, karpenteros at radio technicians ay kailangan mag -aral sa vocational schools para sa mga professions na ito, di ba? Lumalabas tuloy na ang karamihan sa mga komiks writers at illustrators nuon ay mas mababa pa sila kaysa mga hairdressers, karpenteros at radio technicians kung pag-aaral lang ang pag-uusapan, di ba? HhHhHhHhHhHhHh naman ngayon ang halakhak para magkaruon ng variation.
Kung gayon, "therefore" ito sa english, lumalabas na mas mababa pa sa vocational ang trabahong komiks illustrator at writer! Mabu-buang na dito ang iba sa inyo at si Randy sa twisted logic na ito. XXXXXXX, ano ang X na ito? Ito ang halakhak na nabilaukan.
Pero ano naman ang YYYYYYY? Ito ang halakhak na nagtatanong. Ano ang relasyon nitong Y dito? Walang relasyon ito dito. Kaya, WWWWWWW na lang. Ano naman ang ibig sabihin ng W? Ito ang halakhak na walang ibig sabihin.
Auggie,
tama iyong sinabi mo, naalaala ko na. Kaya ito ang buong sinabi ng polis na iyon,
"SUMURINDIR NA KAMO, METROCOM INI! NAPAPALIGIRAN KITA!"
Kaya Randy, JM at iba pa sa inyo,
"SUMURINDIR NA KAMO, METROCOM INI SI MARQUEZ NAPAPALIGIRAN KAYO NIYA!" HHHHHHHHHHHHHHHhhhhhhhhh....
AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA!
Ito naman ang ibig sabihin... AY, AY KALISUD! KALISUD NG BINAYAAN!
BBBBBBBBBBBBBBBBBBBBBB!
Ano naman ito?
BUANG-BUANG!
Supremong Kapre:
Si Mars Ravelo naman ay high school grad. And I don't know if you've had any tête-à-tête with him when he was alive, but his IQ was much higher than some pretentious critics whose ideas are all baseless.
Noong sanggol pa lang si Madam Auring, ang mga Pilipino ay mga magaling mag-kastila at mag-Inggles. Ravelo didn't speak Spanish, but his English was pretty good... unlike Caparas.
In the 1970s, Tony Tenorio did not hire editors who did not have any university education. Maraming pagkakataon na pinapaayos niya sa akin ang script ng ilang manunulat na mahina sa English, pero gumagamit ng mga English dialogues sa stories nila (and I will not reveal their names here).
So, Supremo, hindi lahat ng komiks writers ay balbon sa English at pinabili lang ng sukang Iloko o toyo-mansi na tulad ng maraming movie reporters. Punta kayo sa blog ni Wordsmith. Puwedeng pang-International ang kayang trabaho. Mataas ang kalidad ng mga obra niya, hindi tulad nitong mga nabibili natin dito ngayon na romances na pinatype lang sa mga secretaries ng mga publishers ang stories, o kaya naman ay pinakopya lamang.
In fact, dito sa north America, ang mga modern romances ay isang sining ang pagturing dito. Romance novel writing is now being taught in universities here, and to expose the students to different romantic places in the world, they include travels in the course. And these books are very popular and many are best sellers. I've talked to Maeve Binchy several times during the International writers conference here, and she's actually one of the romance novelists who is trying to up the ante of romance novels. I don't know if Mr. Marquez have read even one of her books, but he might be surprised how sensible her novels are.
Entonces, ang mga radio technician ay mag-aaral nga para makapag-ayos ng radio, pero HINDI SILA NANGANGAILANGAN NG ....SPECIAL TALENT... na tulad ng isang manunulat at illustrator. Kaya nga ba't may sariling category ang mga writers at illustrators sa pag-pasok dito sa north America. Exception sa rules ng immigration, dahil sa ano? Special ang talents nila. Samantalang Radio technician, naglipana sa bawa't nook and cranny ng daigdig. May pambihirang talents ang mga manunulat at mangguguhit, napakalayo naman nito kung ikumpara lang sa MARUYA VENDOR o kaya SINAPOT doon sa bikol. What do you think?
ZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZ!
Ano naman kuno ito?
Secret. Hulaan ninyo.
Kapre: "Samantala ang mga hairdressers, karpenteros at radio technicians ay kailangan mag -aral sa vocational schools para sa mga professions na ito, di ba? Lumalabas tuloy na ang karamihan sa mga komiks writers at illustrators nuon ay mas mababa pa sila kaysa mga hairdressers, karpenteros at radio technicians kung pag-aaral lang ang pag-uusapan, di ba? HhHhHhHhHhHhHh naman ngayon ang halakhak para magkaruon ng variation."
Me halong tragedy at comedy nga kung titingnan mo. :) Nakatutuwang isipin (at panoorin) na napagtatawanan ninyo ang katotohanan. I-advance natin ang usapan.
Sa ganyang sitwasyon na mas marami ang mga fly-by-night komiks hairdressers, komiks electrician, tuberong komikero, karpinterong komikero at komikerong security guard, masasabi ba nating "professionalized" nga ang dating komiks industry ng Atlas at GASI?
Meron ba namang industriya na talamak ang exploitation sa mga sub-vocational (o non-vocational) creative workers nila?
Professionalized ba, kung ibinabaling naman ng mga trabahador na ito ang kanilang galit, ngitngit at hinayang sa kanilang sinapit, sa pagsusulat, pagdo-drowing at pagsusulat nila ng lowbrow komiks para sa Atlas at GASI?
JM Lee: "Kaya kayong mga writers at illustrators sa komiks, hala na, magsipagtinda na kayo ng mga nabanggit sa itaas dahil ang trabaho pala ninyo ay tulad lang ng mga ito.
HHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH!"
FYI: Ginagawa na po nila tuwing KOMIKON sa U.P.
--SPO1 Juan Marquez
JM,
hindi naman "lahat" ang sinabi ni Mars at Auggie, "marami" lang daw ang walang pinag-aralan sa pag-drawing at pag-sulat nuon sa atin. Biruan lang tayo dito para maburat itong blog ni Randy, AAAAAAAAABBBBBBB .... Ano naman itong AB? Ito ay ang simula ng halakhak na may kasamang biro na simula rin ng ABKD.
Pero kaunting seryoso muna, kaunti lang. Bago magsimula ako bilang komiks illustrator kuno na walang pinag-aralan sa pag-guhit, ang trabaho ko muna nuon ay namamana ng isda o mangingisda, trabahador sa kalsada, taga lako ng diyaryo at komiks at limpia-bota. Pagkatapos ng high school, pumunta ako sa Manila, at walang makuhang trabaho kahit na ano nuon.
Isang umaga, bigla na lang naisipan kung maging komiks illustrator. Kumuha ako ng bond paper at nag-drawing ako dito. Pagkatapos, ang ginamit ko sa inking ay fountain pen, hindi ko alam nuon kung ano ang drawing pen o illustration brush. Dinala ko itong drawing ko bilang sample sa Extra komiks at ipinakita ko ito kay Tony Ancheta na siya ang art director nuon duon. Naawa yata si Tony sa katangahan ko kaya binigyan niya ako ng break, at sinabi niya sa akin na dapat daw ang gamitin ko ay kartolina, drawing pen at brush. Tanungin ninyo itong si Tony tungkol dito dahil buhay pa ito sa atin, naging kabarkada ko pala ito palagi sa laklakan nuon ng sumikat na ako sa komiks nuon.
Kaya ang angkop na titulo na dapat itawag sa akin nuon ay hindi "komiks illustrator" na may pinag-aralan sa pagguhit, kundi ang walang pinag-aralan sa pagguhit na "mangingisda na komikero, komikero na trabahador sa kalsada, komikero na nagtitinda ng diyaryo at komiks, o limpia-bota na komikero."
Ayan, mula mismo sa akin, ito ang tunay na patunay ng beteranong komikero, HHHHHHHhhhhhhh ......., na ang pagiging komiks illustrator o komiks writer nuon ay vocational lang ang mga ito na "karamihan" sa kanila, "hindi lahat," ay walang pinag-aralan sa pagguhit at pagsulat, batay ito sa argumento ni Marquez (de Sade).
Balik uli tayo sa kabuangan. Pero, lintik naman, talagang na-marquez kayo nitong si Marquez, MMMMMMM .... Kaya
"SUMIRINDIR NA KAMO, METROCOM TALAGA INI NA SI MARQUEZ! NAPAPALIGIRAN KAMO NIYA!"
Marquez,
huwag naman lalaki ang bumbonan mo dahil kinampihan kita, baka magbago ako ng isip ay mahambalos rin kita ng DOS POR DOS at pati si JM, dpddpddpddpddpddpddpd .... Ano naman ang dpd? Ito ang halakhak na may naka-ambang DOS POR DOS.
Pansamantala, advertisement para sa mga walang pinag-aralan sa pagguhit na mga komikeros: punta kayo sa blog ko at mag-aral duon para hindi na masabi ni Marquez na mga vocational lang ang pagiging mga komikeros ninyo. Marami kayong mapupulot duon na mga kabuangan na higit pa sa mga itinuturo ng mga art colleges. Ang yabang, ano?
Supremong Kapre:
Hindi mo pa ikinuwento kay Marquez (sic) de Sade yung tubol sa bibig ng isda na pinana mo sa Masbate.
BBBBBBBBBBBBBB!
Balak ko ngang gawing steamed fish ito at ihain kay Marquez (sic) de Sade para naman mahimasmasan.
BBBBBBBBBBBBBB!
Pero kung naging estudyante mo ito noon sa Feati si Marquez (sic) De Sade, siguradoing pinukpok mo na ito noon pa man ng dos por dos dahil....TUTULUGAN lang nito ang klase mo!
BBBBBBBBBBBBB! Na katulad sa pagtulog niya sa literature class noong nag-aaral pa kuno ito. Kung makiusap ang ina niya sa iyo na kasama siya para ipasa mo, lukutin mo ang isang WOW KOMIKS ng SOLLER PUBLICATIONS na pinulot mo doon sa iswater na ginawang pamunas sa behind... at bambuhin mo sa ulo si Marquez (sic) de Sade!
BBBBBBBBBBBB!
Bakit nga pala hindi hakutin ni FERNANDO ang lahat ng sidewalk vendors at gawing KOMIKS ILLUSTRATORS/SCRIPTWRITERS? Siguradong mawawala na ang mga ito sa bangketa at wala na siyang sakit ng ulo, tapos, mabubuhay uli ang industriya ng komiks diyan sa Pilipinas. Dapat pala tayong magpasalamat kay Marquez (sic) De Sade dahil sa brilliant idea nito. Hindi na rin siya magrereklamo sa mga laman ng komiks na ito dahil aabot na sa kanyang taste ang obra ng mga bagong komiks talents.
Bravo! Magnifico! Tubero! Barbero!
BBBBBBBBBBBBBBBBBB!
Jose Mari Lee:
"Entonces, ang mga radio technician ay mag-aaral nga para makapag-ayos ng radio, pero HINDI SILA NANGANGAILANGAN NG ....SPECIAL TALENT... na tulad ng isang manunulat at illustrator. xxx May pambihirang talents ang mga manunulat at mangguguhit, napakalayo naman nito kung ikumpara lang sa MARUYA VENDOR o kaya SINAPOT doon sa bikol. What do you think?
I respectfully disagree, Mr. Lee. A creative illustrator and/or writer has no monopoly over a "special talent". Citing foreign immigration requirements/laws to support your sweeping statement is at best dubious and preposterous.
Your seemingly blind adherence and "love" for creative writing and drawing has closed your mind to the fact that even in so-called "vocations" there are "special talents" that are accomplished. I cite examples in cooking, selling/deal-making, hairstyling, dressmaking and carpentry to name a few.
"Komiks" writers and artists have no monopoly over creativity and special talent.
In fact, local komikero writers and artists of the old traditional komiks industry of which you were a part of, have not really raised your lowbrow medium into a serious artform as the Americans, Europeans and Japanese have done. And they did it in a commercial scale, for several years upholding high standards.
Unlike your old traditional Atlas/GASI komiks generation, contemporary "indie" works by local, aspiring comics writers and artists are elevating local comics into an artform that is being appreciated right now by an international audience.
Now that's a special talent. :)
--Amused Spectator
"Unlike your old traditional Atlas/GASI komiks generation, contemporary "indie" works by local, aspiring comics writers and artists are elevating local comics into an artform that is being appreciated right now by an international audience."
Spectro:
Where in hell are you coming from?
The indies you're describing here are not known here in north America. Is this a product of your WILD IMAGINATION?
Would you wake up, my friend, and smell the freshly brewed BARAKO coffee. If these indies you're describing are indeed well-known in the world... I would have seen them all here! Tell me of any ONE comic shop in here who sells indies from RP?
Nada! Are you awake or what? Well, wake up my friend, from your dream!
There is no such following here at all. In fact, we don't even see them here!
Wild imaginings!
You're putting me down, because probably you're jealous that in my youth, I have written and published my comics here and was distributed worldwide. You don't know what you're talking about. Check your facts first, would you? You're becoming LAUGHABLE!
I searched those indies from RP and NOTHING is carried by comic stores here. I didn't see them in Europe, not in South and Central America. I've been looking for them even in AMAZON... nothing!
So don't fool me by claiming otherwise because I've been searching them for several years and nothing came up. Not even one.
Why don't you fly as a tourist here and check out all the comicshops. Stop kidding yourself, will you?
Maybe in Timbuktu, I might find them. Lol!
Amused Spectator:
You said,
"Unlike your old traditional Atlas/GASI komiks generation, contemporary "indie" works by local, aspiring comics writers and artists are elevating local comics into an artform that is being appreciated right now by an international audience."
And I ask:
Do you have to rip into the traditional Atlas/GASI generation in order to laud today's comics indies?
While I appreciate your acknowledgment of the special talents of the current crop of indies, I just thought you were being unfair in excoriating the traditional Atlas/GASI generation.
You also said,
"'Komiks' writers and artists have no monopoly over creativity and special talent."
I say, no-one in this discussion has mentioned that komiks writers and artists have a monopoly on creativity.
However, to compare the creativity of a writer/artist to that of, say, a Jamie Oliver or a Rachel Ray or a Nigella Lawson, is rather askew. Where on earth do the special talents of a writer/artist, a hairstylist, a dressmaker, a cook, or a carpenter, converge? You really had me confused.
And then you said (addressed to JM Lee),
"... Citing foreign immigration requirements/laws to support your sweeping statement is at best dubious and preposterous."
I agree with JM in citing special provisions in North American immigration laws with regards to writers and artists. It clearly showed -- and delineated -- the special talents of writers and artists compared with those of others, i.e. skilled, highly skilled, professionals.
I see nothing "dubious" nor "preposterous" in this, unless you believe that JM was just making up this special immigration category in North America for writers/artists.
p.s. to Amused Spectator:
There is such a thing as special category for writers/artists in North American immigration law/requirement. Some 2-3 years ago, I could have visited Canada using another of this special provision for writer/artist. Since I had other travel plans at the same time, I declined the invitation.
I mentioned the above in order to emphasize how special writers/artists are. [smile]
And if what Wordsmith77 has posted is still not enough evidence for Spectro, here's that paragraph describing this special talent provision:
O-1 (extraordinary ability) admits into the United States of persons with extraordinary ability in the sciences, ARTS, education, business and athletics, or extraordinary achievement in motion picture and television production, and their essential support personnel.
There. I copied the paragraph for Spectro.
In the 1970s, when Filipino komiks illustrators migrated to the USA, most of them were allowed through this provision. Kung laitin ni Spectro at Marquez ang mga beteranong komikeros ay gayon na lang, hindi siguro nila alam na ito ang mga naunang hinangaan sa Amerika at sa buong mundo kung komiks ang pag-uusapan. Maski NAGKAKANDA-BALUKTOT ang mga dila ng mga comics fans dito sa pag-pronounce ng mga panbgalan ng mga artists na nabanggit, bukambibig pa rin nila sina: REDONDO, ALCALA, TANGHAL (they pronounced this as TANGGAL), ZUÑIGA, GAN, MALGAPO, LAXAMANA, BARRAS, RIVAL, at napakarami pang iba.
Wala rin akong problema sa mga indies, some of them are good. But I've been goading them to have their books distributed worldwide. As of now, nasa Pilipinas lang ang mga obra nila, ni hindi namin alam dito kung ano ang mga ito. Kaya maghunos-dili sana itong sina Marquez at Spectro. Hangga't hindi nakakapag-distribute worldwide ang mga obra ng Filipino indies, huwag ninyong unahan ang panahon. Iyang mga pinagsasabi ninyo ay walang basehan at purely hearsay. Let's be factual for once, guys. We just can't be spreading inaccurate facts, because doing so will make you rumor-mongers.
To wordsmith:
Well if not expressly, then Mr. Lee IMPLICITLY made the statement that creative writers and artists have a monopoly in special talent that is a mile away when compared to vocational courses such as dressmaking, carpentry, selling cooking and male modeling. Here are Mr. Lee's words again to that effect:
"Entonces, ang mga radio technician ay mag-aaral nga para makapag-ayos ng radio, pero HINDI SILA NANGANGAILANGAN NG ....SPECIAL TALENT... na tulad ng isang manunulat at illustrator."
When you say radio technicians don't need a special talent in fixing any kind of radio, unlike that of a writer or illustrator, it is IMPLICIT in that statement that ONLY writers and illustrators have a monopoly on special talent TO THE EXCLUSION OF OTHER VOCATIONS.
Now that is a sweeping statement; from a Masters of Mass Communications, at that :)
The general purpose of immigration policies and laws is to check and verify if the applicant is possessed of a livelihood that could make him a productive and beneficial member of that country, and NOT to acknowledge any 'special talent' that he has.
A country’s department of foreign affairs is not in the business of acknowledging “special talents” in a particular vocation.
If you want to know if the practice of a certain vocation entails some "special talent" it is only proper to try to see if there are reputable award-giving bodies that recognize and give merit to their particular works, NOT foreign immigration policies or laws that don't share the same objective or purpose.
Carpenters who excel in their craft usually get awards as production designers or part of a production team in television and movie award-giving bodies.
Cooks who excel in their craft are also given awards by various culinary bodies as great chefs. The same with hairdressers and dressmakers. There are reputable award-giving bodies here also.
Experts in deal-making and negotiations (selling) are also recipients of awards from numerous civic and other bodies.
So you see, when it comes to "special talent" creative writers and artists, OR comics writers and artists for that matter, have no monopoly over the matter. Special Talent is not confined solely in the "arts".
I mean, applying your logic don’t you find this statement a bit ludicrous: “Hello chef, hairstylist, fashion designer, etc. I’m an “artist/writer” and compared to your vocation my line of work entails special talent. Why? Because United States immigration laws say so.” :D
To JM: What I said is that the local indie works like Elmer and Trese are being 'appreciated' by an international audience . I didn't say that copies of their works are widely distributed internationally. There is a world of difference between being 'appreciated' and 'copies distributed internationally'. You are unfairly conjoining the two words/concepts.
Why do I say these local works are being appreciated internationally? Read the comments of Neil Gaiman, Warren Ellis, Whilce Portacio and others in the back pages of ELMER. Also, read the interview of Budgette Tan (TRESE) in that poorly conceived and ill-fated local horro (?) magazine SINDAK that folded last year. You will see that there have been praises from FRENCH readers on TRESE. And its not just Elmer and TRESE there are other indie works on the internet that are litered with international praises.
To wordsmith: No, I'm not ripping ATLAS/GASI. I cite them as a point of comparison and declaring a plain truth. If the truth hurts, and you are directly affected, then you, and many others like you, are involved in that travesty of local komiks history. :) And since you're reacting so, then it must be true.
-Amused Spectator
P.S. to wordsmith:
My friend, I think you should qualify your statement a bit further:
"I mentioned the above in order to emphasize how special writers/artists are IN NORTH AMERICA BUT NOT SO SURE IN ANY OTHER PART OF THE WORLD WHEN IT COMES TO IMMIGRATION [smile]."
I mean, applying your line of thinking, the next time the Oscar awards gives out a best writer award for a motion picture, this is of no relevance because no such particular award or recognition was given by the U.S. Immigration Office.
To J.M.
"O-1 (extraordinary ability) admits into the United States of persons with extraordinary ability in the sciences, ARTS, education, business and athletics, or extraordinary achievement in motion picture and television production, and their essential support personnel."
There you see? It does NOT specifically state that writers and illustrators are the only ones considered to have special talent. ANY vocation that involves the ARTS (EDUCATION, ETC.) has special talent.
Cooking is an art. Hairstyling is an art. Driving is an art. Carpentry and handicrafts is an art. Deal-making, selling and negotiation is an art. So is drawing or writing comics. (Am not sure about male modeling though)
Thank you J.M. your specific citation validates my point that "special talent" is not confined only to writers and artists but anyone of extraordinary ability involved in THE ARTS.
-Amused Spectator
Amused spectator
Like any other carpenter here in the construction site I've worked, I learned it by just watching how they do their craft. Unknown to them, I have a "special talent" and that is to write stories and I can also draw things I saw. One of my colleague carpenter, noticed me while sketching. "How can you do that" he exclaimed. "Please teach me" he added. Dahil hindi ako maramot, pinagtiyagaan ko siyang turuan. But after several weeks and months,"Ayoko na" he said. "Talagang hindi ko kaya ang ginagawa mo." Then one of my co worker threw a cigarette butt in the ground, then look outside so sadly. I picked that cigarette butt and created a beautiful story out of it. Now, may I asked Mr. amused spectator. Can all my co workers in the construction site do what I'am capable of doing? As a carpenter, kaya ko silang pantayan sa pagiging karpintero, pero sila ba ay mapapantayan ang ginagawa ko? Doing carpentry work and at the same time writing stories and illustating my stories?
That is "special talent". It is "gifted" and cannot be compared to any job you've mentioned. You may be a doctor, a lawyer an accountant, and I can be like them too. But as a writer/illustrator, can those professional do the special talent I've posses? No sir!
Ergo, don't underestimated writers and illustrators. Ilang magtataho, tindero, electrician, hairdresser, etc, etc ang merong special talent na ganito? Ikaw, amused spectator, I challenged you if you have a special talent like me, I can make a cabinet, I'am also an electrician, nag-aral din akong gumawa ng cellphone, computer. Nagtinda rin ako ng barbeque at samalamig pero magtapon ka ng nilukot na papel at babasahin ko ang expression ng iyong mukha, I can write a beautiful stories out of your nilukot na papel and at the same time, illustrate it. Can you do that?
Mr. Gifted child
Mr. Gifted child,
There is a world of difference between having talent and EXTRAORDINARY talent. Am sure that a lot of carpenters like you, not all, have talent. :) Which, unfortunately, is not enough to help you immigrate to North America. :D
By the way, if by chance your "gift" turns out to be "special" does that make you a SPECIAL child as well? :D
Any other smart aleck comments from former ATLAS/GASI, local "indie" and underpaid Caparas/Sterling talents out there? ;D
--Amused Spectator
“Now that is a sweeping statement; from a Masters of Mass Communications, at that :)"
Ha-ha-ha! Mahilig ka talaga magpatawa. Ano ka ba? Don't forget as well...my degree din ako in Film Production from USA, your favorite place on earth :) Man, you should really move here and prove your mettle. You should apply to the US embassy immediately and show your special talent as hairdresser or DI (dance instructor), you might be able to get a SPECIAL VISA. :)
The western way is... in reality, not just what you see on TV or movies, or the things you read in Graphic Novels. Iba ang katotohanan, kaibigan. You have to experience the western way to be able to understand fully what really is going on. I am trying to make you understand what it is, and you are refusing to understand.
“To JM: Why do I say these local works are being appreciated internationally? Read the comments of Neil Gaiman, Warren Ellis, Whilce Portacio and others in the back pages of ELMER. Also, read the interview of Budgette Tan (TRESE) in that poorly conceived and ill-fated local horro (?) magazine SINDAK that folded last year. You will see that there have been praises from FRENCH readers on TRESE. And its not just Elmer and TRESE there are other indie works on the internet that are litered with international praises.”
Oh, my God. You really have to know how the Western world operates, my friend. Have heard of presence of UNDERCURRENT? It is everywhere in the first world. What seems to appear outside is not really what is inside. You really need a lot of orientation how the western things work. I am totally shocked by your naiveté. How many MILLIONS of readers are you talking about APPRECIATING THESE above-mentioned books?
I have nothing against the RP INDIES. In fact, I am with them. But, I want to put everything in proper perspective. You need big readership from all walks of life that would buy your books to make the cut. Do you really understand what it's like? An email from one or two or hundreds of people who found a few copies of the books do not gauge the the "APPRECIATION" you're talking about. Unless we start seeing copies of these books on the shelves of CHAPTERS/INDIGO, Coles, Duthie, Book Warehouse, The Comicshop, Golden Age Collectibles... and others... your book needs a lot of exposure to be read by millions. Hence, my advice to the indies is to try their best to be distributed worldwide. This is what I did in the 1980s and my books made a lot of sales. I am trying to make them understand to take the right path. I am trying to encourage them, not put them down (like what you're doing to the talents of the old komiks industry who showcased the Filipino komiks to the world at large and in return, was admired by the whole world). Until your books are distributed worldwide, the APPRECIATION by a few hundred readers won't even make a dent in the market. Do you understand this?
I suggest you attend just one international writers conference here and you'll realize soon enough that the real score is not even close to what you're thinking and believing. Why don't you open your mind and listen to people who have more understanding and knowledge of what's going on in reality instead of insisting your wrong ideas about things?
Also, you must realize by now that whatever awards one has received in the Philippines are not recognized outside the Philippines. You might have 100 awards from RP, you come in here and your work will only make it if you prove your worth. The award-award na halos tigsisingko lang ang calidad diyan sa atin, ay bals wals dito (to quote Rosa Rosal's expression). This is the reason why every time my TV shows would be nominated for any awards, I made it a point not to attend the ceremonies because for me it is not important. First of all, why should the talent be forced to join the organization giving the awards just for him to qualify? That's nonsense and I would not be a part of it. Then they feed you three days at the Manila Hotel, for what? If they can afford to splurge thousands of pesos feeding the television industry talents, why not donate the money for charitable endeavors? Bakit kailangang i-wine and dine pa ang mga TV talents na bibigyan mo ng awards? Nasaan ang katinuan nito.
“There you see? It does NOT specifically state that writers and illustrators are the only ones considered to have special talent. ANY vocation that involves the ARTS (EDUCATION, ETC.) has special talent.”
Ay, patay. Kaya nga inilagay ko na ito para makita mo kung paano nabigyan sina REDONDO et al ng visa, eh. Hohum.
What's the matter with you?
"Cooking is an art. Hairstyling is an art. Driving is an art. Carpentry and handicrafts is an art. Deal-making, selling and negotiation is an art. So is drawing or writing comics. (Am not sure about male modeling though)"
Aha-ha-ha! At hindi ka pa pala sigurado. He-he-he. Oo nga pala, ba't di ka pala mag-male model din. Milyon ang kikitain mo, at kung marunong kang humawak ng income mo,makakapag-retiro ka sa edad na 30 anyos.Mamamasyal ka na lang na kasa-kasama si NANAY DIONISIA!
HHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH!
Dahil may special visa ka as artist (choreographer kuno) at dadalhin mo sa gitna ng bulwagan si Nanay Dionisia at magsasayaw kayo ng PASO DOBLE na ubod ng init, pagpapawisan sa panonood ang mga komikero noong old komiks industry (na ang karamihan ay nagsipag-bangon sa hukay dahil sa ARTISTIC ninyong pagsasayaw habang kapuwa kayo may kipkip na special Visa for the ARTS).
:)
JM,
Teka muna, I'm confused. Which is Which sa ARTS & CRAFTS ? alin ang nasa category ng Arts, at alin ang nasa CRAFTS. Ang Comics di ba sa APPLIED ARTS ?
Auggie
J.M.:
"You might have 100 awards from RP, you come in here and your work will only make it if you prove your worth. The award-award na halos tigsisingko lang ang calidad diyan sa atin, ay bals wals dito (to quote Rosa Rosal's expression)."
I agree with your above unqualified, sweeping statement. You sure have a habit of doing this, don't you?
Anyway, yes I agree, When Carlo Caparas was given that stupid Presidential Award of Merit for just writing 800 komiks novels even if most of it were hack work, it doesn't really signify anything. Its a 5 cent value as you say. Now, the majority of lowbrow vocational komikeros are actively moving to "award" him as a "national artist". :)
JM:
"Ay, patay. Kaya nga inilagay ko na ito para makita mo kung paano nabigyan sina REDONDO et al ng visa, eh. Hohum."
Oh, was that the reason? :) Gee, you sure know how to worm your way out of tight spots of your own making, don't you? :) Okey, so NOW can you please cite specific U.S. immigration policy or law supporting this other sweeping statement of yours:
"Entonces, ang mga radio technician ay mag-aaral nga para makapag-ayos ng radio, pero HINDI SILA NANGANGAILANGAN NG ....SPECIAL TALENT... na tulad ng isang manunulat at illustrator. Kaya nga ba't may sariling category ang mga writers at illustrators sa pag-pasok dito sa north America. Exception sa rules ng immigration, dahil sa ano? Special ang talents nila."
Where's that exclusive and specific category for writers and illustrators in U.S. immigration law that acknowledge them as having these special talents apart from all other vocations?
--Amused (Ho hum) Spectator :D!
Gusto ko lang linawin sa talakayang ito: Ano ba ang usapin na nais talagang talakayin ng mga bumabatikos sa dating industriya ng komiks-magasin sa Pilipinas at sa mga taong naging bahagi nito? Dapat tandaan ng sinomang manunuri ng komiks-magasin na ang dialogue box ay hindi dapat salaminin bilang kinatawan ng manunulat kundi ito ay paglalarawan sa katauhan ng kanyang mga tauhan sa kuwento. Ang paggamit ng salitang kalye o baluktot na English o balalbal na Filipino ay pagpapahayag ng katangian ng tauhang nagsasabi nito at hindi ng manunulat. Malaking kalokohan na kung ang tauhan mo ay isang stand-by sa kanto na pagsasalitain mo ng straight English na mala-Carlos P. Romulo o Eddie Ilarde. These critics, in my opinion, failed to do their homeworks. A piece of advice, read first the Rule on Evidence so that you will not prove your argument based on fabricated evidence like "based on my experience" phrases again and again. Paano natin mapag-uusapan nang matino at kapaki-pakinabang ang isang paksa na sarili mo lamang ang nakaaalam ng sinasabi mong katibayan! Isa akong dating manunulat sa komiks-magasin at ipinagmamalaki ko ito. Dahil sa pagsusulat ko rito, marami akong natutunan at sana matutunan din ng mga kritikong nagdudunong-dunungan: Little knowledge is a very dangerous thing!
I invite all Philippine comics critics to visit my website: http://claims-helpsite.webs.com then judge me if "nautusan lang din akong bumili ng suka."
JM:
Hanggang ngayon pala, after all these years, pasensiyoso ka pa rin. Ang tiyaga mo talagang makipag-kapuwa tao kahi't na doon sa pinakabarumbado.
Huwag mo nang paliwanagan itong taong ito at mukhang hanggang Spectator na lang talaga ang mentality. Ni wala siyang kamalay-malay kung ano ang mga nagawa mo dito sa atin noong narito ka. Hanggang ngayon, wala pang gumawa ng tulad sa mga script mo sa TV noong nasa Channel 2 ka. Bawa't episode ay punung-puno ng mga bagay na bago at nag-iiwan ng profound experience para sa mga manonood. Ngayon, ang mga drama dito ay bagay lang sa mentality ni Spectator. Sayang lang ang oras na itatapon ninyong lahat sa taong iyan.
Nagkita pala kayo diyan ni Dante Mendoza. Tinatanong nga ako kung interasado ka raw na gawing film ang Karimlan?
- Lou Veloso
"Teka muna, I'm confused. Which is Which sa ARTS & CRAFTS ? alin ang nasa category ng Arts, at alin ang nasa CRAFTS. Ang Comics di ba sa APPLIED ARTS ?"
Auggie:
Unders ARTS kasi, kasama ang lahat ng ito (at walang specifications), like actors, writers, artists (painters, illustrators, advertising, etc). Then, the officer in charge of the interview will give the decision whether the candidate will be allowed and be given the special visa. Usually, in Canada and the US, they will allow candidates under this category, if the candidate has a unique talent. A very good example was what I cited to Spectator: yung mga Filipino komiks artists natin noon na pumasok dito sa dalawang country under this special visa. Usually, you will come in under "working visa" of the category we already mentioned. Malawak ang provision na ito na siyang hindi nauunawaan ni Spectro. Gusto niyang isama dito ang hairdressers, carpintero, at kusinero... na hindi naman talaga kasama. Ewan ko lang kung puwedeng isama dito yung unique na kusinero na cooking show sa Canada, na ang babae't lalaking chefs ay mga nakahubad habang nagluluto at apron lang ang takip sa katawan dahil alas 4:00 ng hapon ang time slot. HHHHHHHHHHHHHH!
Spectator (manonood):
Yung example na bnigay ko using Redondo and company, ay isang halimbawa lamang na kung saan ang cateryng O-1 ay involved. Why would I be "worming" myself? It is the truth, and therefore, I don't have to "worm" into it. I am just saying it exactly as what it is.
Para magkaroon ka ng experience nito, why don't you apply for this visa? Yun nga lang, you have to show a protfolio. Doon ngayon i-a-assess ang qualification mo. Sometimes, you can go to these countries as tourists, once you've landed, look for an employer who will halp you secure the right status (be it as immigrant, contract worker, etc.) napakalawak ng mga paraang magagawa ng mga abugago dito for this purpose. Hindi ito talaga black and white, pero nariyan ang category ng special visa na puwede mong ma-availif you are an artist (na naipaliwanang na natin sa unahan kung sinu-sino ba ang mga artists na ito).
Richard Jacinto:
“Gusto ko lang linawin sa talakayang ito: Ano ba ang usapin na nais talagang talakayin ng mga bumabatikos sa dating industriya ng komiks-magasin sa Pilipinas at sa mga taong naging bahagi nito?”
The beginning of his thread started with the issue of whether or not the fanatic/obsessive reading of local komiks in the 1970s and 1980s by Filipino students was the main cause for their low grades.
It was correctly argued that it is not the main cause. But one guy, Juan Marquez, everybody’s whipping boy, went further by opining that it may not be the main cause, but a CONTRIBUTING CAUSE nevertheless, amidst other prevailing socio-economic causes at the time.
The further claim that local komiks AT LEAST taught Filipinos how to read, was belittled as it had flaws mainly, because of its generally simplistic, lowbrow and “dumbed down” editorial approach in writing and drawing for the masses.
Filipinos may have learned how to read, but these kinds of komiks only served to enhance and maintain Filipinos’ FUNCTIONAL LITERACY, which is a lower form of literacy as claimed by Mr. Marquez. Another commentator: KAPRE, added that though such obsessive reading taught many Filipinos how to read, it only taught them to read the TAGALOG dialect causing them to develop at times, stilted and awkward applications of the Tagalog dialect (and English at times).
The merriment started when Mr. Marquez (again) went further by suggesting/implying that this sorry state of affairs would not have happened if MAJORITY of komiks artists, writers and editors of the old komiks industry of ATLAS/GASI of the 1970s and 1980s were not “vocational workers” similar to those of maids, drivers, hairdressers, radio technicians, construction workers, sidewalk vendors, unemployed housewives, electricians, high school dropouts, security guards, and the like. The real implication here is that MAJORITY (not all) of writers, illustrators and editors of the old ATLAS/GASI traditional komiks industry of the 1970s and 1980s, have middling or below-average writing and drawing standards as shown in their works at the time. For some reason or other, they have no initiative or desire to elevate their work and vocation. Hence, their being ridiculed as "vocational workers". Majority of them, mind you. The scant few who excel (and are quite extraordinary artistically) are not included.
KAPRE agreed and even cited his personal experience as largely being untaught when he started in komiks.
Jose Mari Lee (and Wordsmith) took offense claiming that writers and illustrators in general have a special talent compared to the above vocations. So it is unfair to lump writers and illustrators (comics writers and illustrators included) in the above enumeration. Mr. Lee, cited a still vague and unspecified U.S. Immigration law as having an exclusive category for writers and illustrators. Mr. Lee claims that this unspecified U.S. Immigration law “proves” that writers and illustrators have indeed a “special talent” over and above other vocations.
That is where we are now. :D
The use of a dialog box in komiks is not a topic in this thread, Sir. Rather, it is the kind of generally “dumbed down” lowbrow editorial approach to writing, drawing and editing of local komiks shared by the old ATLAS/GASI komiks companies of the 1970s and 1980s (maybe even the 1990s) that is the point of discussion.
You may correctly argue that this is the correct approach in communicating with the masses at the time, but it may have deleterious consequences as commented by others in this thread.
“A piece of advice, read first the Rule on Evidence so that you will not prove your argument based on fabricated evidence like "based on my experience" phrases again and again. Paano natin mapag-uusapan nang matino at kapaki-pakinabang ang isang paksa na sarili mo lamang ang nakaaalam ng sinasabi mong katibayan! xxx Little knowledge is a very dangerous thing!”
Yes, I personally agree with what you say. Hear that, J.M.? :D
--Amused Spectator
Randy,
Natutuwa ako dahil mukhang naglilitawan na sa comment box mo ang mga dating taga-komiks na idinedepensa ang industriya at kulturang naging bahagi sila. Like Richard Jacinto. Sana naman ay magpakilala sila sa kanilang pangalan like Mr. Gifted child na isang karpintero para malaman ko kung sino sila. May mga nakasama ako noon sa GASI na writer din pero, may iba't ibang hanapbuhay din. May magsasaka, may mangingisda, may gumagawa ng alahas, ahente, etc. Hindi ako magtataka kung bigla na lang silang mag-comment din dito. Well, basta maganda lang ang palitan ng kuro-kuro at walang personalan o pangalang binabalahura, okey lang na magbasa na lang ako ng iba't ibang komento. Kay Amused spectator, although hindi kami magkatulad ng stand, nirerespeto ko ang kanyang ipinaninindigan. Nag-iisa siya laban sa lahat wika nga.
Lou Veloso?
Sino ka namang IMPOSTOR? Paano naman magpupunta dito si Lou Veloso?
Grabe talaga itong mga anonymous na ito. Kung talagang si Lou Veloso ka nga, ano ang PANGALANG binanggit ko sa iyo noong dumalaw ka rito sa Vancouver? Aber?
Kapag tumpak ang sagot mo dito, ikaw nga ito. Ngayon, kung mali ang sagot mo... GO TO HELL!
HHHHHHHHHHHHHHH!
Spactator:
Bakit mo iahahambalos sa akin ang sinabi ni Richard, eh para sa iyo iyon? Ikaw ang nagdudunung-dunungan dito, hindi ako. Punta ka sa US embassy at itanong mo kung mayroon silang ganitong VISANG sinasabi ko. Teka nga, ikaw ba, LUMABAS na ng PILIPINAS kahi't man lang sa SAIPAN?
Kasi, parang NAPAKA-IGNORANTE MO talaga. Ipinakikita na sa iyo, quoted verbatim from the immigration site pa mismo, at marami akong kakilalang artists na nag-avail nito, and yet you're still accusing me of making things up?
You are incorrigible, iho :)
Lagi kang magiging IGNORANTE for the rest of your life kung ganyan ang attitude mo.
It's time to turn a new leaf. Time to listen to others. Time to learn how to begin to achieve wisdom. Alisin mo na kasi ang BITTERNESS sa iyong puso. Whatever traumatic experience you had in the past, you have to move on. It'd for your own good, my son.
-Your Father Confessor
Pwede bang makisingit?
I was an artist illustrator for counterpoint way back in the 1980s at tulad ng marami diyan, nangarap ding mag-komiks abroad. Malaki kasi sahod. Di ako nagtagal sa komiks at kasalukuyan nang assistant manager ng hotel dito sa EDSA.
Anyway, tanong ko lang. I've been following this particular thread after a co-employee (dating tiga-komiks din at ka-email chat ko) recommended the site to me.
I want to ask out of curiosity yang pinaguusapang requirements para makapag-abroad as a comics artist.
Nang binasa ko ang verbatim quote ni Mr. Lee sa U.S. immigration policy, malinaw na yung artists lang na me EXTRAORDINARY ability ang pinapayagang mag-migrate.
Ang tanong ko ay ito: me mga written rules o guidelines ba na sinusundan para ma-consider ka as EXTRAORDINARY sa arts (o anumang vocation)? OR yung immigration officer lang ang may sariling discretion para humusga kung meron ka ngang extraordinary accomplishment sa arts?
Paano kung walang background sa arts yung immigration officer, e di unfair di ba?
Mahirap paniwalaan kasi na me sariling discretion ang immigration officer; at ibabase lang niya ang decision/discretion niya sa inilabas mong portfolio sa harap niya? Paano naman kung komiks writer ka, anong portfolio ang ipapakita mo?
Isa pa, nasa usaping "extraordinary" din naman tayo, tanong ko pa. Yung mga kakontemporaryo kong mga komiks artist noon tulad nina Adrian Gonzales, Rodin Rodriguez at Rafael Kayanan...yung mga gawa nila noong 1970s sa komiks e di naman "extrordinary" kung ang point of comparison natin ay sina Redondo, Nino at Alcala. Bakit at paano sila nakapag-migrate sa U.S.?
Karamihan sa mga komiks artists na nakapunta noong 1970s sa States ay working visa ang hawak. May mangilan-ngilang TNT (pero hindi ko na sila pangangalanan at baka hampasin ako ni Supremong Kapre ng dos por dos, mahirap na). In those days, puwede kang magpa-sponsor sa employer mo para maging immigrant. Marami rin ang mga nakaalis dahil sa ganda ng kanilang comics illustrations. Si Emile Rodriguez ay isa sa mga nabigyan nitong special visa.
Talagang totoo na ang officer na mag-e-interview sa applicant ang magdedesisyon. Pero, bago ka interviewhin ng officer ay nasino na muna nila beforehand ang kakayahan mo, lalo na't sa trabaho nating visual at kita agad ang calidad. Sa interview, ang officer ay may hawak na guideline. Kung na-interview ka, siguro napansin mong mayroong papeles na nasa ilalim ng iyong application and from time to time ay tinitingnan ito ng interviewing officer. Ang mga tanong sa applicant ay galing doon sa guideline na inihanda para sa particular na applicant, na naimbistigahan na ng bawat expert sa field na inaplyan ng applicant. Kaya nga bago ka humarap sa interview ay nakapag-desisyon na ang mga experto at naroon na sa guideline ang final na mga katanungang hawak ng officer.
TO BE CONTINUED...
KATAPUSANG LABAS:
Doon naman sa mga applicants na KINUKUHA ng kompanya (employer), na sa kanilang paniniwala ay ikaw ang kandidatong pinaka-bagay doon sa position, yung pambihirang kakayahan mo ang pinagbasehan nila kung bakit ikaw ang napili nilang alukin ng position.
Kaya nga ang pinakamagaling na paraan ay mag-apply ka directly sa mga company, magsubmit ng portfolio sa isang employer, halimbawa, DC or Marvel. At base sa pangangailangan ng mga nasabing kompanya, ay magiging dahilan para bigyan ka ng visa. It may be a working visa to work legally in the US, and if the quality of your work is superb, you might qualify for the special visa that we've been discussing. Which ever materializes will be a win-win situation for you.
Kaya kung gusto mong makapasok sa Canada o sa USA para magtrabaho ng ganito, magpursige kang pagbutihin ang drawing mo at mag-apply sa mga kompanya. Ang chances mong ma-reject ay mas kaunti.
My aunt Ellen Borck (now retired) worked as one of Disney's executives. She also became the president of the cartoonists union of America and taught art at UCB (University of California at Berkeley), and during her time at Disney, she actually recruited a lot of talented Filipino illustrators and several were able to enter the US on special visas.
If you really want to pursue Comics illustrations, do what Leinil Yu, Gerry Alanguilan, et al, are doing: make exceptional work and wow the employers.
And yes, I repeat, the interviewing officer has the final say. Kung sa interview mo ay may sablay sa iyong tugon, he has all the power to reject your application.
Sa kaso mo ngayon, bakit di ka muna kumuha ng experience sa animation? Mas may demand ito kaysa comics ngayong panahon. Kaya lang, may recession ngayon sa US, baka hindi ito ang tamang panahon para magpunta dito. But the economy always get better. Kapag gumanda na uli ang economy, that would be the right time to apply. I also hope that you're updating your computer knowledge. If you can master ADOBE CS4 (especially FLASH, DREAMWEAVER, PHOTOSHOP, ILLUSTRATOR, INDESIGN), hindi ka mauubusan ng trabaho dito. Laging may demand sa ganito. Maraming employers ang naghahanap nito ngayon.
Pero kung talagang gusto mo lang magpunta dito at kumita, Canada, for the past 3 years, has been recruiting CONSTRUCTION WORKERS (karpintero, framers, et al) at sila'y binabayaran at par sa mga tagarito. Nagugulat nga ako, dahil ang mga bagong salta dito ngayon ay mga engineers o architechs diyan sa atin, pero ngayon ay narito as construction workers, and to my surprise, they're very happy. They're making much much more than when they were working in RP as Engineers or Architechs. I have interviewed 5 engineers and one architech yesterday for the newspaper I am editing here, The Vancouver Times. These men (ages ranging from 25 - 50) are exceptionally happy.
Puwede mo ring pag-isipan ito.
O kaya naman, mag-apply ka as INDEPENDENT IMMIGRANT. Depending on your skills, you might be allowed to immigrate here. This place is very good for a young family. Compared to the US, Canada is much more peaceful, less crimes, more social programs for the citizens.
- your father Confessor & Recruiting officer
PS. Biro lang itong title ko. Gusto ko lang na matawa ka kahi't paano. I feel the frustration in your message and I wish you all the luck and happiness in the world. Things will get better for you, I'm pretty sure of it. Just don't give up. Always find the inspiration to pursue your dream.
JM:
Ganyan-ganyanin naman ako :(
Di ako impostor. Ako talaga ito.
Sagot ko: AMOR. O, tama ito.
Ngpunta ako don sa blog mo, nag-iwan ako ng messge, pero ayaw pumasok. Nabasa ko dun yung sabi mo tungkol dito sa site na ito kaya nagpunta ako.
Lou
OK, intermission’s over.
Back to work. :)
His Holiness JM:
“Oo nga pala, ba't di ka pala mag-male model din. Milyon ang kikitain mo, at kung marunong kang humawak ng income mo, makakapag-retiro ka sa edad na 30 anyos.Mamamasyal ka na lang na kasa-kasama si NANAY DIONISIA!”
I don’t think it would work. I’m too sexy for that by then. :)
Hey! How come YOU know so much about the world’s oldest profession anyway?
Anyway. You know what would be cool though? A paralegal. Sounds like: “parang” legal. Yep. You get to sound like a lawyer conveniently scraping out of thin air legal terms here and there, like “Rule of Evidence” without really knowing what it means! Jumble it all up with other mumbo-jumbo legalese, form some cockamamie statement/analysis, then get away with it with people thinking that you’re some respectabe, high-powered lawyer in the making when in fact, IN FACT…you’re as clueless as a komiks artist wanting to immigrate to the U.S. :)
Come to think of it, did you know that in light of the current economic crisis another word for “paralegal” nowadays is…BILL COLLECTOR? Before, it was GOPHER/ MESSENGER now its somewhat elevated to “bill collector” which isn’t any different really from MERALCO bill collector, GARBAGE collector or KOMIKS collector. :)
Anyone could become a “paralegal” (and dyslexic at the same time) by just attending a seminar, get a certificate without any national exam supervised by the Supreme Court, and voila! you’re a “paralegal”. Cha-chiiing! It’s a lot like how the old ATLAS/GASI komiks industry worked in recruiting their vocational “talents” from the masa audience. The blind leading the blind.
Heck, any Tom, Dick or Jo..er, “Harry”, can do it. Why? Because like everybody else, they honestly, sincerely, truly, madly THINK they have “talent”. Not “extraordinary” or “special” mind you, but “talent” of the middling and average kind, nonetheless. And they (this mass of inspired gelatin) get to practice their middling and average talent on the hapless public through trial and error, WITHOUT REALLY ANSWERING FOR THEIR MISTAKES. A lot of their trial and error practice fail while a scant few succeed but in the end, the damaged and scammed public retreat bringing a whole industry down. Sound familiar? Déjà vu, parles vous?
Its also rare to find former komiks artists/writers turn into successful comedians. Very rare. But quite common on the other hand, to find failed, unfunny comedians turn into failed, unfunny city councilors. Equally dyslexic and badly in need of a permanent facial, that is, with the scalding hot towel still covering their moon-surfaced face, this common specie of komikus corniae, usually find comfort and solace in the “legitimate” stage. Have you ever been to an “open-air”, “open to the public” legitimate stage in the Philippines? Believe me, it’s a RIP-OFF. Its free, but you don’t get to take back two hours of your wasted life. Its just like reading an ATLAS/GASI “masterpiece” of yesteryear. Its “open-air”, dirt cheap, and it leaves a mark after you wipe and flush. (Burp!) : )
Just goes to show you that a lot of these “talents” have no real aspiration to better their craft and swing on a star; become all the wonderful things that they really are.
You think they’d rather be a pig? : )
--Amused Spectator
Lou:
Ikaw nga pala. Sorry, akala ko kasi isa ka sa mga nanloloko. I apologize. Kung hindi makapasok ang message mo, ang ibig sabihin, sumobra sa length ng allowed characters para sa comment window. Nasa 4,000 lang yata ang limit.
The Philippine Center Society is planning a huge show and I'm going to make sure that you'll be one of the performers.
Totoo nga. I talked to Dante Mendoza when he was here for the showing of Masahista, then Foster Child. He'll be back next fall for the International Filmfest. Binanggit nga niya sa akin yung Karimlan, pero may mga bagay na hindi ako kumbinsido.
Email mo na lang ako sa:
tauruswarrior@shaw.ca
Marami akong ibabalita sa iyo.
Hi Pidong (Reynaldo Gabertan):
Salamat. At last, may tumawag sa akin ng Holiness. Ito talaga ang unang dream ko: maging VOCATIONAL PRIEST, at ngayon naging Sidewlak Vendor Cardinal pa. Thank you, thank you. Kapag nangumpisal ka, I will make sure to absolve you without any Our Fathers, Hail Mary's and Holy Mary's to mumble.
Joke only, my friend. Hindi naman tayo magkaaway, nagdedebate lang.
Oldest profession. Oo nga, no? Kasi nagustuhan ko ang halimbawa ni Jesus Christ noong hindi siya nagdalawang-isip na makisalamuha sa mga prostitute na tulad ni Mary Magdalene. And when I found out that there were also the so-called male variety in the Philippines, I thought it was another slant, and therefore worth investigating and writing about. And from just hoping to write about them, I realized what good people they were, and they treated me like family and I treated them the same. I found true friends in the process, friends who really cared and would protect me till kingdom come.
One late summer in Vancouver, I went with my family and friends on a picnic to Queen Elizabeth park. I strolled towards the lake where the mallards swim. As I passed a rolling hill, I saw some children playing with the dandelions' seed heads. They call them "puffers". I asked a little boy why he was doing this. He said: "Pick one, close your eyes, make a wish, then blow. When the puffer is blown in the wind, each flying seed will carry your wish to heaven. When one of them reaches God, He will make your wish come true."
Suddenly. I felt like a child again, for I believed him completely. I picked one puffer, closed my eyes, and I only wished for one thing: to regain my innocence – for with it, I would, once again, believe in love, have faith in miracles, find a caring family, and marvel at magic. Then I blew the puffer. Its seeds flew into the wind, and right at that moment, I knew that it wasn't just an ignis fatuus, but a search for my own "mountain without a valley", something my mind can't grasp, but which my heart utterly understands.
Indeed, what the heart knows that reason does not is called faith. I had faith with my friends and family, and even on you, Pidong. I forgot to mention to you that I am also a bit of a psychic (something I refuse to entertain – including the gift of seeing spirits of people who have passed on). But despite whatever were said between us, I still have faith in you. And my only wish is for you to succeed in your chosen field of animation.
nothing but respect for them. They're true human beings who, like all of us, have dreams of having a wonderful life while living in this lonely world of ours. And it dawned on me, that what the heart knows that reason does not... is called faith. Faoth in love, faith in magic and
JM:
Pidong? What are you talking about this time? :)
--Amused Spectator
Ha-ha. I was writing an article for an alumni yearbook of which I was assigned as an editor. The window was open and I pasted the copy to the wrong window.
I am multitasking here, Pidong, so I apologize for the mess. Anything related to the picnic is not part of my response to your question. The last paragraph and the accompanying "thought" after that was part of the edited text which does not relate to the answer.
So, how's animation lately, Pidong?
Are you happy there now than when you used to write TV script as part of the pool who you said was exploiting you and your colleagues of aspiring writers?
I could only say screw them. You're better off in animation. If I were you, I'll just stay there and be free from all the shenanigans of the network.
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